Scholarly commentary and interactive model
Interpreting National Radiology Turnaround Time Trends
Measurement validity, workforce capacity, and responsibility for timely diagnosis
- Christensen et al., JACR 2026
- 2,578,953 outpatient studies
- Medicare fee-for-service, 2014 to 2023
- Ten interactive models
A national signal that should start a local inquiry
Increasing delays in imaging interpretation warrant an operational response, but the strength of that response depends on distinguishing an observed trend from its proposed cause. This commentary examines Christensen and colleagues’ analysis of Medicare fee-for-service imaging from 2014 to 2023. Claims-derived calendar-date intervals provide a useful surveillance signal, yet they require validation against clinical timestamps before they can support precise statements about waiting time.
Change in the mean claims-derived calendar-date interval
View the published figure from the commentary
The argument in four moves
- Accept the signal. A sustained change in a national indicator deserves attention even while its causal explanation remains unsettled.
- Validate the measure. A calendar-date difference is not an elapsed time. It needs checking against examination completion, preliminary, signature, and release timestamps.
- Test the mechanism. Workforce saturation is plausible. So are uneven allocation of capacity, overnight coverage gaps, competing procedures, missing comparisons, and changing case complexity.
- Finish the pathway. A report is clinically useful only when an accountable clinician receives it, acknowledges it, and documents a plan.
Central claim
National trends should prompt investigation and resource allocation without becoming an unsupported local productivity target.
What leaders can do now
Leaders do not need definitive proof of the mechanism before investigating an aging worklist, verifying coverage, or protecting patients with urgent findings.
What requires stronger evidence
Attributing every delay to insufficient radiologist effort, or prescribing a single remedy across settings, requires evidence the national trend cannot supply.
What a national mean cannot set
The appropriate deadline for a suspected cord compression, a routine surveillance examination, and an incidental finding needing interval follow-up depends on clinical urgency, not on an average.
How to use this model
What the Medicare claims show
Christensen, Drake, et al. (2026) linked technical claims for image acquisition with professional claims for interpretation in a 5% sample of Medicare fee-for-service beneficiaries. The outcome was the number of calendar days between the two service dates, limited to office and hospital outpatient CT, MR, ultrasound, and radiography or fluoroscopy. Emergency and inpatient imaging were excluded because they are typically prioritized for interpretation.
Annual means printed in the article text
Relative increases differ substantially by modality
View the published figure from the commentary
Disparity gaps moved in opposite directions
Where the 2023 means sat
One mean, two levers
Because the outcome is a whole number of days that is zero for most studies, the mean equals the share of studies crossing a date boundary multiplied by the average days among those studies. The printed values allow that split.
| Year | Share after acquisition day | Mean days | Implied days among late studies |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2014 | 2.0% | 0.091 | 4.55 |
| 2023 | 5.5% | 0.193 | 3.51 |
Derived in this model from published values (mean divided by share). The share of studies crossing a date nearly tripled while the implied length among those studies fell, so the rise in the mean is driven by more studies crossing midnight rather than longer waits for the studies already delayed. Rounding of the published shares moves the 2014 figure between 4.44 and 4.67 and the 2023 figure between 3.48 and 3.54, which does not change the direction. Explore it on the Date or timestamp tab.
What the authors conclude, and what that conclusion rests on
The authors interpret the steep 2021 to 2023 rise as suggesting that the radiology workforce has reached maximum capacity. Their own limitations note that claims carry no timestamps and that an observational design precludes assessing the causes of changes in delay.
- Radiology-only practices kept low values; radiology-majority practices rose to 0.455 in 2023.
- Practices with 100 or more radiologists rose to 0.371 in 2023 while the smallest practices showed no evident trend.
- Non-CBSA areas fell below metropolitan and micropolitan areas by 2023.
Patterns that differ this much by practice type, size, and geography are compatible with capacity limits, and equally with differences in how existing capacity is organized. That is the opening for the rest of this commentary.
Who is in the denominator
A date is not a timestamp
The distinction between a date and a timestamp changes what a turnaround statistic can mean. A calendar-date indicator can assign the same value to clinically different waits and different values to nearly identical waits. Multiplying its average by 24 changes the unit label without recovering the unobserved hours.
Table 1. Why calendar-date differences and elapsed time answer different questions
| Illustrative acquisition and interpretation | Date difference | Actual elapsed time | Load case |
|---|---|---|---|
| Monday 09:00 to Monday 09:05 | 0 days | 5 minutes | |
| Monday 00:01 to Monday 23:59 | 0 days | 23 hours 58 minutes | |
| Monday 23:59 to Tuesday 00:01 | 1 day | 2 minutes |
Original hypothetical examples demonstrating measurement properties. They are not observations from the Medicare study.
Simulator 1. Read the same wait two ways
Set when the scan finished and how long interpretation took. The ribbon shows the elapsed time against the midnight boundary a claim date can see.
A wait of 2 minutes is recorded as a full day because it crossed midnight.
Simulator 2. Later scanning, same reading speed
A shift toward later scanning can change the probability of crossing midnight even if elapsed reporting time changes less. Hold the reading speed fixed and extend the scanning day.
| Measure | Current | Extended |
|---|---|---|
| True mean elapsed hours | 4.0 h | 4.0 h |
| Studies crossing midnight | 6.4% | 13.1% |
| Mean calendar days | 0.064 | 0.131 |
| Mean days multiplied by 24 | 1.5 h | 3.1 h |
With the same 4.0 hour mean reading time, the extended schedule sends 13.1% of studies across midnight against 6.4%, and the calendar-date mean moves from 0.064 to 0.131 days (2.05 times). Reading speed did not change.
Illustrative model, not Medicare data. Scan completions are spread evenly across the scanning window and elapsed interpretation time follows an exponential distribution with the stated mean, so the calendar-date mean has an exact closed form. The multiplied-by-24 row shows the misleading label, which differs from the true elapsed mean in both schedules.
Simulator 3. Decompose the published mean
The claims outcome is zero for most studies, so the mean is the share crossing a date multiplied by the average days among those studies. Load the published years or set your own values.
In this profile, 94.5% of studies record zero days. A mean of 0.193 days does not describe a typical 4.6 hour wait; it describes a minority of studies waiting several days.
Published anchors: 2.0% and 0.091 days in 2014; 5.5% and 0.193 days in 2023 (Christensen, Drake, et al., 2026). The average days among late studies (4.55 and 3.51) is derived in this model by dividing the mean by the share.
Simulator 4. A stable median can hide a vulnerable minority
One hundred illustrative outpatient studies with elapsed timestamps. Give a small group a prolonged delay and watch which statistics notice.
The median stays at 2.1 h and the 90th percentile at 6.8 h, yet the mean rises from 3.0 to 5.4 h and 5 studies wait more than a day. A report built on the median alone would miss these patients.
Illustrative distribution: baseline elapsed times are the 100 evenly spaced quantiles of an exponential distribution with a three-hour mean; the delay is added to the slowest studies. Percentiles use the nearest-rank method. Timestamp data should support medians, upper percentiles, and urgency-specific deadline breaches.
Validate the indicator against clinical timestamps
A validation study should compare the claims indicator with these events in the radiology information system and the picture archiving and communication system:
- Examination completion
- Preliminary interpretation
- Final signature
- Result release
Agreement should be assessed separately by site, billing arrangement, modality, and acquisition time.
Claim-linkage questions for appraisal
These are appraisal questions, not established defects in the investigators’ methods. Their importance lies in which services reach the denominator and whether that selection changes over time.
0 of 6 questions resolved for your local replication
Workforce capacity is a hypothesis to test
A rise in delayed interpretations is compatible with a demand and capacity imbalance. It is also compatible with uneven allocation of existing capacity, inadequate overnight coverage, competing procedural responsibilities, unavailable comparison studies, or changes in case complexity. These mechanisms can coexist, and an observational time trend cannot separate their contributions without additional measurement and a defensible comparison strategy.
Mechanism evidence board
Record what your local data show for each candidate mechanism. The board summarizes whether the evidence yet justifies a single explanation.
Demand exceeds staffed capacity
Test: incoming reading work against available clinical reading hours, by week and by hour.
Uneven allocation of existing capacity
Test: idle reader hours in some blocks while backlog accumulates in others.
Inadequate evening or overnight coverage
Test: examinations completed after the last reading session, and their age next morning.
Competing procedural responsibilities
Test: reader time diverted to procedures, supervision, and consultation during reading blocks.
Unavailable comparison studies
Test: examinations held because prior imaging was not retrievable at the time of reading.
Changing case complexity
Test: images per study, multiplanar reformats, and subspecialty mix over time.
No mechanism has been assessed. The national trend alone cannot identify the local cause, so the next step is measurement, not a remedy.
Capacity is available hours at the right time, not headcount
A department may have sufficient weekly hours and still experience recurrent shortages at predictable times. Enter reading demand and staffed reader hours for each block of an outpatient day. Idle capacity in the morning cannot absorb work that arrives in the evening.
| Reading block | 7 to 10 | 10 to 13 | 13 to 16 | 16 to 19 | 19 to 22 | Day total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Reading work arriving (hours) | 19.00 | |||||
| Staffed reader hours | 22.50 | |||||
| Effective reading capacity | 5.10 | 5.10 | 4.25 | 3.40 | 1.28 | 19.13 |
| Backlog at end of block | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 1.10 | 3.33 |
Daily capacity covers daily demand, yet 3.33 hours of reading carries past close while 3.45 reader hours sat idle earlier. Every carried examination will cross a date boundary in the claims.
Illustrative outpatient day, not Medicare data. Backlog carries forward block to block: backlog equals the prior backlog plus arriving work minus effective capacity, floored at zero. Capacity is measured as available clinical work time, with allowance for work beyond report production.
Projected demand is context, not proof
Christensen et al. (2025) modeled future imaging use under alternative assumptions about population and utilization. Such forecasts are planning scenarios with explicit assumptions, not predetermined demand. A practice should update its own forecast when referral patterns, local demographics, or clinical pathways change.
The same headcount can supply different coverage when leave, part-time practice, supervision, procedures, or subspecialty requirements change. The operational question is whether the right expertise is available when a particular class of examinations enters the worklist.
Designs that could strengthen inference
Examination-level linkage
Link examination timing to staffed hours, case complexity, workload arrivals, and backlog within the same practice over time.
Interrupted time series
Compare trends before and after a staffing or workflow intervention. Check preintervention trends and concurrent changes in case mix.
Difference in differences
Use comparable sites that did not change. The parallel-trends assumption must be examined, not assumed.
Neither method substitutes for checking its assumptions, especially changing case mix and preintervention trends.
Relevant evidence extends beyond report volume
Research on radiologist workload, fatigue, attrition, artificial intelligence, and follow-up of abnormal results supports a broader assessment of diagnostic reliability than a report count can offer. Each study below contributes something specific, and each carries a limit on how far it can be carried.
Table 2. Complementary empirical evidence and its appropriate use
MacDonald et al. 2013
Departmental workload study- Contribution
- Measure procedures, supervision, and consultation alongside reporting.
- Limit
- One New Zealand department; workload shares are context-specific.
Krupinski et al. 2010
Experimental reader study- Contribution
- Include accuracy and fatigue when assessing speed.
- Limit
- Small fracture-detection experiment; not a national estimate of error.
Christensen, Liu, et al. 2026
Radiologist attrition cohort- Contribution
- Measure retention and clinical availability when planning capacity.
- Limit
- Claims-derived attrition does not establish why radiologists leave.
Singh et al. 2009
Abnormal-result follow-up study- Contribution
- Verify action after an actionable result is reported.
- Limit
- One integrated care setting; historical rates are not current national rates.
Batra et al. 2023
Retrospective AI workflow study- Contribution
- Separate worklist waiting from interpretation time.
- Limit
- Task-specific before-and-after evidence; causal and generalizability limits.
Gommers et al. 2026 (MASAI)
Randomized screening trial- Contribution
- Noninferior interval cancer rates with AI-supported mammography against standard double reading; evaluates AI against clinical outcomes.
- Limit
- Swedish screening context limits transfer to United States CT or MRI reporting.
Source details appear on the Sources and checks tab. This is a selected evidence synthesis, not a systematic review. The MASAI entry is discussed in the commentary text rather than in Table 2.
Speed without accuracy is not better service
Krupinski et al. (2010) found lower fracture-detection performance after a clinical workday in an experimental reader study. That experiment does not estimate present national error rates, but it supports treating diagnostic accuracy and reader fatigue as outcomes to monitor whenever productivity changes. An intervention that shortens the queue by making interpretation less reliable has not demonstrated better diagnostic service.
Retention is part of capacity
A recent United States cohort documents increasing radiologist attrition (Christensen, Liu, et al., 2026). It cannot establish that fatigue caused the increase. Staffing decisions that preserve output for one quarter while increasing the probability of later departures may worsen future access, so retention, actual clinical availability, and recruitment belong alongside throughput.
Technology should address a defined source of delay
Batra et al. (2023) found that AI worklist reprioritization was associated with shorter turnaround for positive pulmonary embolism examinations, concentrated in waiting time while interpretation time was essentially unchanged. Moving a case earlier in a queue and reducing the work needed to read it are different interventions.
Reprioritization moved 6 flagged studies forward and delayed the other 54 by 18.0 minutes on average. The overall mean wait did not change and the oldest study waited just as long. Only a faster read changes the total.
Illustrative queue, not data from Batra et al. A batch of studies waits for one reader at the start of a session; the baseline reads them in arrival order. Waiting time is the time before reading begins. The reduction slider represents a genuine change in the work needed to interpret, which the pulmonary embolism study did not observe.
What a local AI evaluation should measure
Time to an actionable report
For the prioritized class, and for every worklist group it displaces.
Classification performance
Missed and false-positive flags, and whether either changes care.
Age of the oldest outstanding examinations
The queue model shows why this can stay flat while flagged cases improve.
Workload transferred to clinicians
Alerts, overrides, and review steps that move work rather than remove it.
Full economic cost
Integration, monitoring, correction, and maintenance work.
Prospective validation
MASAI strengthens the case for trials against clinical outcomes; local benefit still needs local evidence.
Diagnostic completion requires responsibility after reporting
Timely interpretation becomes clinically useful when the result reaches an appropriate clinician and supports action. Singh et al. (2009) documented incomplete follow-up of abnormal imaging results despite electronic notification. Receipt, acknowledgment, and an appropriate documented plan are distinct events; a visible alert alone does not complete the pathway.
Actionable-finding completion pathway
Enter counts for one review period. The pathway shows where findings stop moving after the report is signed.
Each step should be no larger than the step before it. Values have been capped for the calculation.
21 of 100 actionable findings have no documented plan. The largest loss (9 findings) sits at acknowledgment to documented plan, which points to ownership of follow-up rather than reading speed.
Default counts are illustrative, not rates from Singh et al. Replace them with a local review of actionable findings; historical single-setting rates are not current national rates.
Table 3. A conceptual matrix for interpreting operational performance
Choose what your data show on each axis. The matrix returns the investigation that fits.
Maintain performance and monitor diagnostic quality.
Original conceptual synthesis informed by Singh et al. (2009). This matrix has not been empirically validated. Timeliness thresholds require local clinical governance.
Equity follows the same clinical pathway
Neighborhood disadvantage can identify communities requiring investigation, but it should not be treated as a direct measure of an individual patient’s resources. Leaders should examine access to appointments, reporting coverage, communication barriers, and completion of recommended care.
Report adjusted and unadjusted results
Adjustment can help explain differences between communities. Unadjusted results remain necessary because they describe what the populations being served actually experienced. In the national data the income gap widened from 56% to 121% while the ADI gap narrowed from 44% to 26%, a reminder that two related measures can tell different stories.
An operating response for outpatient imaging
For an outpatient MRI service, the practical starting point is a shared definition of when each interval begins and ends. The medical director defines urgency categories and escalation expectations with referring clinicians. Operational leaders verify that completed studies reach the correct reading worklist and remain visible until responsibility is resolved. These are proposed management actions, not tested recommendations from the national study.
Table 4. Proposed measures and accountable functions
| Measure | Definition and purpose | Responsible function |
|---|---|---|
| Access to examination | Order received to completed scan; distinguish scheduling and preparation delays. | Scheduling and modality operations |
| Interpretation interval | Completed scan to clinically available report; report median and upper percentiles by urgency. | Radiology medical leadership and analytics |
| Outstanding work | Count and age of all completed examinations awaiting interpretation, including overdue cases. | Daily worklist lead |
| Actionable findings | Time to acknowledgment and documented follow-up plan within clinically defined deadlines. | Named reporting and referring clinicians |
| Quality and sustainability | Review discrepancies, material amendments, overtime, fatigue indicators, and retention with throughput. | Quality lead and practice leadership |
Original recommendations. No numerical target in this framework should be interpreted as a national standard. Denominators, exclusions, and missing timestamps must be documented.
Daily
Identify the oldest unresolved studies and any urgent case lacking an accountable reader.
Weekly
Examine recurring causes by modality, acquisition time, site, and reading group.
Monthly
Connect demand forecasts with staffing availability and quality findings. Where contracted reading coverage is used, confirm escalation and coverage continuity, with clinical review of exceptions.
Local test plan builder
Implementation begins with a documented baseline, one clearly defined intervention, and a prespecified assessment period. Build the plan, then print it for the leadership review.
Local test plan: Outpatient MRI
- Intervention
- Add a focused evening reading session
- Source of delay it addresses
- Examinations completed after the last reading session wait overnight and cross a date boundary.
- Primary measure
- Evening backlog at close and next-day delays, reported as median and 90th percentile elapsed hours by urgency.
- Baseline
- 8 weeks of documented performance before the change
- Assessment
- 8 weeks after the change, with the period fixed in advance
- Balancing measures
- Diagnostic discrepancies and material amendments; Total reader work hours and overtime; Age of the oldest outstanding examinations
- Decision rule
- Continue only if the primary measure shows clinically meaningful improvement without deterioration in the balancing measures. Document denominators, exclusions, and missing timestamps.
Kelly Emrick, DHSc, PhD, MBA, BSRT(ARRT)R. Proposed management action, not a tested recommendation from the national study. No target here is a national standard.
Priorities for the next generation of research
The next research step should validate the measurement and then explain variation. A larger sample reduces statistical uncertainty only for the model being estimated; it does not remove confounding, selection effects, or limitations in how the outcome was measured.
Validate the measurement
Multisite linkage between claims and clinical timestamps would establish when a calendar-date measure tracks actual waiting and when it diverges. Report the share of eligible examinations successfully linked, and its stability across years and billing arrangements.
Explain variation within practices
Examine within-practice changes in staffed hours, incoming workload, examination complexity, and interpretation intervals. Account for repeated observations within patients, radiologists, and organizations. Sensitivity analyses should address plausible alternative explanations rather than rely on statistical significance alone.
Measure patient outcomes directly
Time to appropriate clinical action, missed follow-up, repeat examinations attributable to unavailable results, and avoidable disruption of care. The relation between turnaround and harm likely depends on indication and urgency, so a uniform time target may conceal clinically important variation.
Extend generalizability deliberately
Compare fee-for-service outpatient findings with other payer populations and clinical settings before using them to characterize the whole United States diagnostic system. Changes in enrollment composition also deserve attention in long-term comparisons.
Conclusion
The leadership obligation is to make completed imaging reliably available for clinical decisions, with sufficient time and expertise to preserve diagnostic accuracy.
Christensen and colleagues provide a reason to investigate the deterioration in diagnostic responsiveness. The appropriate response strengthens the connection between the reported indicator, the mechanism of delay, and the clinical outcome that matters. Workforce expansion may be needed in some settings; in others, redistributing coverage or removing workflow barriers may be more effective. Decisions should follow measured local conditions and be evaluated against the standards of patient care and professional sustainability.
Sources and verification
Every national figure in this model is taken from the published article text or its figures, or is computed from those printed values and labeled as derived. The checks below recompute the article’s headline arithmetic from its own printed numbers.
Verification ledger
| Published statement | Recomputed from printed values | Status |
|---|---|---|
| Mean rose 113% from 0.091 (2014) to 0.193 (2023) | 0.193 / 0.091 gives +112.1%. At the rounding bounds of both means the increase ranges from +110.4% to +113.8%. | Consistent with rounding |
| 19% and 68% of the increase occurred in 2022 and 2023 | 0.019 / 0.102 = 18.6%; 0.070 / 0.102 = 68.6% | Reproduces |
| 87% of the increase occurred between 2021 and 2023 (visual abstract) | 0.089 / 0.102 = 87.3% | Reproduces |
| Later-day share rose from 2.0% to 5.5%, “a 2.5-fold increase” | 5.5 / 2.0 = 2.75. At the rounding bounds the ratio ranges from 2.66 to 2.85, which excludes 2.5. | Does not reproduce; use the printed shares |
| Modality counts: XR 1,537,260; CT 411,265; MR 333,105; US 297,323 | Sum is 2,578,953, the final sample. Shares 59.6%, 15.9%, 12.9%, 11.5% reproduce. | Reproduces |
| Figure 2 caption: 2,644,322 claims overall, including 65,369 nuclear medicine | 2,578,953 + 65,369 = 2,644,322. Nuclear medicine is not among the four modalities described in the Methods. | Denominator question for the authors |
| Sample flow from 24,024,310 claims to 2,578,953 studies | 24,024,310 minus 922,258, 398,027, and 20,114,780 gives 2,589,245; minus 10,292 gives 2,578,953. | Reproduces |
| Practice size categories in the Methods: 1 to 9, 10 to 24, 50 to 99, 100 or more | Figure 4 also plots a 25 to 49 category. | Minor omission in the text |
Checks performed for this model on the published article. They concern reporting arithmetic only and do not question the direction of the findings.
References
- Batra, K., Xi, Y., Bhagwat, S., Espino, A., & Peshock, R. M. (2023). Radiologist worklist reprioritization using artificial intelligence: Impact on report turnaround times for CTPA examinations positive for acute pulmonary embolism. American Journal of Roentgenology, 221(3), 324–333. https://doi.org/10.2214/AJR.22.28949
- Christensen, E. W., Drake, A. R., Parikh, J. R., Rubin, E. M., & Rula, E. Y. (2025). Projected US imaging utilization, 2025 to 2055. Journal of the American College of Radiology, 22(2), 151–158. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacr.2024.10.017
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Appraisal scope
The written commentary appraised the original article’s published abstract and the investigators’ visual summary, supplemented by the peer-reviewed studies cited here. This interactive model adds values from the full article text, figures, and flow diagram, credited to Christensen, Drake, et al. (2026). Neither the commentary nor this model presents new patient-level analysis. All simulators are illustrative and labeled as such.